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>> chris: finally, arizona officials this week released a lot of records about the shooter, jared loffner. the man who shot gabby and 18 others. his parents it turns out knew he was deeply disturbed. they tested him tore drugs but did not send him to get help. what do you have to say after learning all of this to jared loffner's parents? >> well, certainly as a parent myself i understand. i mean it is a tragic thing that they went through as well. it would have been an entirely different situation, however, if he would have gotten some mental health, gotten an evaluation and when certainly in ...

And get an answeeap five minutes and 36 seconds. what it shows you is that it is not the burden that the ncontr. leadership says what a background check is. a simple common sens sense thio to make sure that criminals and mentally ill can't have ahicess to firearms. >> chris: leof ths talk about t because in gabby's case the shooter had been suspended from college because he was deemed to be a threat to himself and others. he went to a gun store and he thinkt a gun. randssed a background check. and yet he was able then, of course, to go out and shoot ga or y and 18 other people. and the n.r.a. ...

Mentally ill are not only getting treatment for their mental illness but let's make sure that they don't have access to guns. let's make sure that criminals don't have access to guns. american for responsible solutions are focused on this every day to make sure we fix this problem and address gun violence in the country. >> chris: i want to pick up on that point. after newtown there was a lot of talk about making it easier for authorities, a school or a family to commit a jared loffner, an adam lanza before they got access to guns and acted out in the horrible way but that seems to have been f...

>> chris: finally, arizona officials this week released a lot of records about the shooter, jared loffner. the man who shot gabby and 18 others. his parents it turns out knew he was deeply disturbed. they tested him tore drugs but did not send him to get help. what do you have to say after learning all of this to jared loffner's parents? >> well, certainly as a parent myself i understand. i mean it is a tragic thing that they went through as well. it would have been an entirely different situation, however, if he would have gotten some mental health, gotten an evaluation and when certainly in ...

>> he took the guns from his mom. in other cases certainly the aurora shooting that you were just talking about and perhaps at virginia tech there would have been the possibility that anent greated background check model but think about the one with jared loffner where he is charged with the gabby giffords shooting. people knew that he had serious problems but nobody moved to commit him. it is not just the privacy stuff. the thing that we have a societyial bias against committing people against their will. >> shannon: in newtown there was a conversation about getting something done. the presid...