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For his blatant perjury. jay should get the most effective and ethical lawyer of the year award. he the most effective and ethical lawyer? what does that make rudy giuliani? >> i'm not aware of that particular award. most ethical an effective -- >> you didn't get that award. >> no, i was never nominated for it. i don't know why. i think what rudy giuliani is saying is a more blunt version, what i was saying before. ultimately if it's just cohen says this, sekulow says that, it's not going to be resolved in cohen's favor. in jay sekulow, i don't know him personally, there's varying opinions of ...

Committee. so, there is a lot to discuss. sara murray, matthew rosenberg and elie honig. everybody is defying everything. we can all go home, nothing to report here. is that right right, sara? >> yeah, i mean, i guess it's done. you know, there's nothing more to do, no coequal branches of government anymore, and the president's just going to do whatever he wants except for, you know, the minor issue of judges which is still a thing and they've been weighing in on this. >> there's new details coming in about michael cohen's closed door house testimony released tonight. and he says that trump's ...