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Angels which is no small feat. let me tell you. i started working on the biker gangs in '74. he got into the hell's angels. very few got into it. it is a huge scene. what will happen, atf, the state troopers, the waco police, they're going to forensically map it. they're going to photograph and it re-create in it court. the key will be video from the building, from the twin peaks or nearby restaurant so they can see who the trigger pullers are. they have 170 people charged with organized criminal activity related to capital murder. and jay can tell you, the bandidos will roll out high priced a...

And involve their self in criminal activity and murder with nine individuals being killed. >> joining me now are msnbc law enforcement analyst jim cavanagh and jay donins atf agent. who was the first ever law enforcement officer to infiltrate the hell's angels biker gang. he also is the author of no angel. my harrowing undercover journey to the inner circle of the hell's angels. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> jay you've been on the inside. what can you tell us about the culture of these biker gangs? >> biker gangs are no different than any other gang. they represent their colors. t...

Not interconnected or if they're using some sort of an electronic software a fire wall that keeps them apart. that could be important. but the faa has been worried enough about it that they actually did put out an air worthiness directive a year or two ago that addressed this very issue. >> i'm out of time. how long do you think it will take on investigate this, jay? >> i think once the fbi goes back and reconstructs what this individual said and checks that electronic they'll be able to debunk it fairly soon. it is not something going away either. >> thank you for your time tonight. >> you be...