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Yesterday's failure, doug is right, it not necessarily a failure, you learn a lot from failures. ask tesla and the writ wright brothers, unless you are ready to go in boots on ground, for a regime change that is only way you will see something happen. >> doug, you know, certainly, no one is looking for instance gatcasion but what -- gratification but what about that warning in few short years, kim jong-un will have nuclear missiles and warheads that could get to us. >> that is the great fear, jay is right to say we'll not have a quick fix, but on the other hand if we get to the point where the...

>> north koreans will have to renounce once and for all the development and use of nuclear weapons, they are a long way from that. but by some chance the chinese or the pressure from south korea were such they did that, i would not rule it out, but at-this-point that is a long way away if it were to happen. arthel: jay to something you said, you said everyone should be patient, whatever is going to happen with china, putting pressure on china to put pressure on north korea it will take some time. you know, the -- people have you know i'd say condemned the former presidency, and his administrat...

Casualties in north korea and south korea. if they do not for whatever reason shut up to their program or, vow not to use or develop nuclear weapons it remains an active option that very sadly has to be considered. arthel: i have 30 seconds. jay. i did start with you. congress, how is congress going to react when the president has to go and face them? >> well, i think congress usually punts in situations like this, i think they will continue to do that, that san easy out for them -- that is an easy out for them, they read the tea leaves. arthel: jay is sadly right. we'll leave it there, thank ...

Of armed service committee comparing it to a right of passage for president trump. >> this may be first test of this presidency, but china could shut them down, we should expect them to act to prevent what could be a ca cataclysmic event. arthel: bringing in our panel now, doug schoan, and jay, a senior advisor to ohio governor john kasich. good to see you. >>ed did to see. >> so, jay, is this first test on the trump presidency, and can the president put his deal making a you can men -- ac -- t. >> i think it is the first test, the game of thrones that we've witnessed in white house, seems to ...

Foreign policy folks that favor russia before, now it seems to be favoring a deal with china, that is a good thing for us, in syria and north korea, i think that president trump presidency based on dinner trump had with president xi last week and vice president's trip to south korea is positive, this is going to be a long slow dance with china. arthel: doug? >> i agree with jay generaly, but first, a couple of things, this was a temporary setback, today. for them, but, the north koreaiance, but only temporary, they have icbms that can be fitted with nuclear weapons and potentially, hit the wes...