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President about that. >> go ahead. >> if i can just -- >> one question i think -- we always need to ask is, why should we care about this? why do these details matter? >> the reason why these details matter, is that if the president thought there was nothing wrong with his staff meeting with the russians to get dirt on hillary clinton, then why wase putting out a false story about strks why didn't he just say, well, we were meeting to get dirt. instead, it deals with what lawyers call consciousness of guilt. the idea that when you come up with a false explanation for something. that suggests t...

The expectation that the russians in that meeting were going to bring dirt on hillary clinton, you remember the e-mail, brooke. he said i love . that was the primary function of the meeting. the idea as this statement claimed that this was all about russian adoptions was misleading from the beginning, whether or not the president was involved. now we know that the president dictated at least a misleading explanation for that statement. it is remarkable and you have to go back through it to keep track, and it's a fairly damning account when you do. >> yeah, no, absolutely, and to everyone's poi...

They have opened a formal investigation. this could determine the next nated fo a second star in he is the u.s. navy, unlikely at this point he would readily get that. certainly not until all of this find himself retiring suddenly at a lower grade. lot this coming to light. barbara starr, thank you so much. i want to go back to what we were just discussing, this iswh asked about why her initial account of that 2016 trump tower meeting does not go along with what we're learning now, that president trump dictated the statement about the substance of that meeting, here she was. you. >> said last ...

Gail, i want to start with you here. when we hear this is a meets and greet, something substantive has to come out of this. >> here's the thing. there's been year upon year of the north korea strategy that has not come to an end. here is a president who is trying to set the scene for the first step. i think there's a lot of discussion in washington about how usually you meet at the end, right? this is a president and administration that has flipped a lot of the script in terms of the way things play out. it's also true that very few people can boirnt to successes. >> you have had talks with th...

And instead the media wants to make it a drum beat about something else. >> no, the president -- >> don't, don't. no, no, no, no. don't the me >> i am the immediate yoorks this is where it's playing out. that's what we want to talk about. >> nice try. >> no, no, these are true matters, we need to function in the realm of the truth. jeff, stop talking please. we're going to leave it there, facts matter, who said what, what they were discussing, the end of this entire mueller investigation, we don't have the answers here, it will become clear in time, we do have some of the answers, and accordin...