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Directly said, so you can see this letter is all about the president's legal team trying to ways for the president not to sitn with special council, you can see why nobody thinks it's a good idea for the president to sit down. >> if he hasn't done anything wrong, why not sit down with bob mueller. >> the most amazing thing, the latest version of this controversy, rudy giuliani said over the weekend, he can't sit down, because we keep remembering new things. >> right. >> if you tell the truth, you don't have to worry about new things coming out. >> i mean, but -- you know, this is -- >> gloria,...

Said, what the policy should be. an example, we're all talking about this in terms of whether or not the president should have limited exposure to this process. you could just as easily argue that the president should have more exposure to the process. he certainly should have more of a special responsibility than baldwin or cuomo to the american people. he was elected. he's the highest office in the land. but that is not the discussion. why? because it is spin, that's why. >> and what else. tell me about your show every night. >> big fat interview and big debate about what happens in the inte...

Have gone on for decades do not continue and he's protecting the interests of american workers and american businesses. thanks, guys, we'll see you tomorrow. >> here we go, i have kaitlyn, jeff toobin sing by. i would love to know if anyone was counting how many times she said, the president hasn't done anything wrong? gloria, i want to start with you, and listen, we don't know what the result of this mueller investigation will be, but it's almost like, you know when someone says something over and over and over again it's like you're trying to convince yourself or someone that what you're say...

Council being unconstitutional. she said, we know that isn't needed also, because the president hasn't done anything wrong. is he above the law? >> well, no one is above the law, but the president hasn't done anything wrong, that's the way the whole press conference went. >> so jeff tuben, if the president hasn't done anything wrong, i want to go into the specifics of what we know, based upon this letter, and this is all in -- >> you're talking about the letter from the new york times? >> the 20 page letter that was sent from the trump lawyers to the special council saying, yes, the president ...

The table and its actual goal here. the trump/kim summit will be more of a meet and greet. here is what we just heard from sarah sanders she was pressed on whether denuclearization is still the goal. >> look, i'm not going to go ahead and predict a meeting that hasn't taken place yet, and i can't get into the ongoing diplomatic talks, but i can tell you they've been positive and we're looking forward to the pleating in singapore. steven? >> no matter what you call it, is maximum pressure still the policy of the united states toward north korea? >> our policy hasn't changed, as the president st...