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i don't know exactly where paul went, but he left the house, too. >> okay. how did maggie get down there? >> i don't know exactly. but on normal occasions, she would drive, drive a buggy, drive a four wheeler, or very common for her to walk. >> okay. how about paul? >> paul wasn't much of a walker, but he would use all of the others. >> okay. >> i mean, could be any way, you know? i don't know exactly. i wish i could help you with that. >> so they left and went down to the kennels? >> well, maggie went to go to the kennels? >> and paul left? >> i'm assuming paul left, because, you kn...

Lie to him? i don't know? >> and he ended being out $477,000, didn't he? >> he ended up being out of a lot of money. >> thank you for your qualifications as to that. did you lie to lee koch? >> i don't know. i don't know if lee koch was around when i said that or not. >> did you lie to danny henderson? >> i did lie to danny. >> did you lie to jeannie cessinger? >> about finances, yes, i did. >> you never talked to her about the kennels? >> no, i wouldn't think so. >> did you lie to annette griswold? >> i did. >> did you lie to christy gerald, your parallel? >> i don't believe we discussed -- i...