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Nonvolatile as possible. when they bring the noise down, he do not think you'll see a third party candidacy emerge here. >> if jeb runs, they'll let it go? >> at the end of the day, conservatives are the ones who will control the outcome of the primary process. if they want a ted cruz or a rand paul, they have to muster up the balance of a to getett it done there will be a third party candidate. a libertarian candidate and a constitution party candidate who is conservatives love. >> will he run third party in. >> i believe he'll dangle it out there as long as he can. ? . i think he's crazy not...

Reality how about bush, clinton, bush, obama, clinton. in other words, isn't perfect. so that's not a reason for jeb to run or not to run. jeb knows what it's like. he's watched it up close twice. >> you talk about being on the campaign trail with your dad. >> yeah. >> and the hard times, the good times, the re-election, which 1992 was very hard for you. >> very hard for all of us. >> and then you describe how you appointed former president clinton and your dad and they became the best of friends. >> yeah, which speaks volumes about both. >> what does that mean to a potential jeb bush-hillary ...

I think if bush doesn't run, there's a chance that mitt romney does. >> mitt romney ahead in most of the polls. if jeb runs, mitt does not run? >> i believe that's right. they hinted that's the case, he and his wife, ann. they have high regard for him. they think they would defeat for too many donors and votes and they think he could beat hillary clinton. >> who is the best democrat to jump in? >> martin o'malley people are thinking. elizabeth warren if she decides to run could wait quite a while. i agree what was said on the panel. if christie wants to get in early, he could because he wants ...

Through that 2012 primary. and if you listen to how he talks about his campaign now, he describes it as something that ultimately hurt him when it came time to actually try to win a general election. >> howard dean, your assessment of jeb bush and where he stands now, verbally, that's a whole different stage of the way he's been playing the game. actually saying yes, i'm thinking about it. >> yeah, i've been on stages with him a few times in the last couple of years. he's pretty candid. he doesn't really sound like a politician. he'll gf you some opinions which he may well give on the stamp. o...

He did his best to convince people he was a quote, unquote, severe conservative, which did kill him in the end. i think if jeb runs, what you see is what you get. and there's going to be a big uproar in the republican party. >> what was the thinking at that event? >> think about who the crowd is. it's a ceo council. a gathering of basically members who are running big corporati corporations. so jeb bush in some ways is the kind of candidate they're looking for. he's somebody who could be seen as pro business. he's been supportive of common core, for example, which is something that the busines...