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Mainstream conservative runs, you have all of these people to the far right splitting basically 33, 40% of the primary vote, right? >> that's true. but you still have to go through this process. you may be the -- your party recruits you because they think you'll be the best general election candidate and for all the reasons you'll be a good general election candidate, the right wing challenges you. that's jeb's problem in addition to the name issue, his problem in a presidential race is, you know, he's too reasonable for some of the people in his party. >> that's a whole other conversation. >>...

>> david axelrod reminds me when i told my dad i was running for congress against a 16-year incomwith want, he said great, but i'm voting for earl. it's kind of tough to do that. >> her attitude, though, is, when she said there are a lot of families in this country, that's going to follow jeb wherever he goes. two, fine, but three -- >> a hilittle hillary too. >> let me back up for a second to the previous discussion because it's relevant to jeb. you say why do people not want to run in these senate primaries? joe, in your party, if someone like a jeb bush runs, someone like yourself, someone ...