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Trump should be impeached. i've been on the campaign trail a lot and i will say, though, that very few voters are talking about what's going on in d.c. at all. they're still very much focused on issues like health care and gun control. >> jeffrey, you mentioned in a note before we went on the air that it's important to mention that chief justice william rehnquist when he presided over president clinton's senate impeachment trial, he did make a ruling that senators were supposed to act as a court, not as jurors. can you explain the significance of that and how it should apply to today? >> yeah,...

Welcome back, everyone. the white house will not participate in the upcoming impeachment hearings in the house. in fact they have rejected an offer from democrats to present any type of defense for president trump during the judiciary hearings this week. >> in a strongly worded letter, the white house counsel called the proceedings baseless and a charade. went on to say adopting articles of impeachment would be a reckless abuse of power by house democrats and would constitute the most unjust, highly partisan, and unconstitutional attempt at impeachment in our nation's history. >> meantime, dem...

I don't believe alexander hamilton believed so. i think that they talk in terms of offenses against society, an abuse of the office that the office holder has. and so i think that this quid pro quo ukrainian thing fits into the category of an impeachable offense. if it does and an article of impeachment is filed, then under the constitution it must go to the senate. the senate must try this case with the supreme court chief justice presiding over it. so it is a real trial. the result of a conviction being that the person does not go to jail but rather is just removed from office and barred fro...

Failure to register as a foreign agent are his two criminal issues. >> and now, jeffrey, let's talk about the chief of staff, the acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney, and his admission to this quid pro quo and then trying to walk it back legally and politically. is it too late for him, for this white house to put that genie back in the bottle? >> well, i think that we're seeing a definite turn in the story at this point. if we think back and compare it to other previous impeachments in the past, the question for andrew johnson and for bill clinton in many ways was not whether or not the perso...

That the president used his office to try to benefit himself politically and tried to urge a foreign government to investigate and dig up dirt on a political rival. of course that forms the basis of the democrats' impeachment inquiry. this is just another detail that shows the depth of guiliani's efforts to draw u.s. policy towards ukraine. >> with me now to talk about all of these developments, jeffrey angle, the director of presidential history projects at southern methodist university and a cnn presidential historian. also with me, michael zeldin. good to see you both. >> hi. >> michael, yo...