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Fortune. >> all right. jeffrey, on top of that, cnn is reporting that president trump is on pace to spend more on personal travel in his first year than president obama spent all eight years that he was in office. it just so happens, i don't think there's anything wrong with presidential golfing. doesn't this prove that then candidate trump was dead wrong about it when he was running? >> i don't think so. >> how is it the media gossip? you heard the president's own words. >> you know, i'm looking for things like did president obama donate his first quarter salary to the national park service? ...

Sector, yes, but that could actually pose a danger potentially, certainly a conflict with international relations. just to jeffrey's point, this anti private sector mentality that he refers to, it is so hard, i am sure, to have been in business for almost 50 years, like donald trump has, and for his children their whole life, every day they wake up, understandably in a capitalist system to wonder how they're going to make more money, how they're going to fatten your wallets. that's what you do, how to expand their brand. for 45 years or mo he has done that every day of his life. now he's in a ...

Jennifer granholm former governor of michigan and jeffrey lord cnn political commentator and contributing editor at "american spectator." >> good morning, poppy. >> good friday morning. lots of news. >> yes. >> do you think, jeffrey, that kellyanne conway owed an apology to the president for that? >> i'm sure she probably felt that way. to be candid, i think this whole thing is ridiculous. >> why is it ridiculous, jeffrey? jason chaffetz, a republican along with democrats on the house oversight committee sent a letter to the government ethics office saying this is a clear violation of the ethi...

But a series of actions, if he is going to keep the people that elected him -- if they don't want to feel like they have been betrayed, then all the stuff that he is doing related to his personal -- the ivanka thing, melania is trying to profit off of being first lady, all that stuff, it's all a huge distraction, and it will be detrimental to him being able to be re-elected if people don't feel like he is doing what he said he was going to do on the economy, on getting jobs in america, not just these one-off press conferences about somebody who said they were going to expand which was previous...

That moment. >> jeffrey lord -- guys, can we get the sound? this wasn't on the campaign trail. it was december 11th after he was elected on fox news sunday. >> he wasn't president then. >> he was the president-elect, jeffrey. >> he was not president. he was not president. so, therefore, i am suggesting that president trump or any other president who said one thing before they took office sometimes are confronted with circumstances where they have to reverse them sells. it happens all the time. >> jeffrey, i think you're one of the people who convinced me that maybe there was a strategy and it ...