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Is more than willing to take out people who dissent with one tweet so they have that on the one side and then this very stubborn fact pattern on the other. so what they have is a defense in search of an argument. they've been auditioning different arguments. i've said here before, anderson, i think ultimately where the senators are going to land is, yeah, he did something bad but let's let the people decide we're close to in election. i think that's probably -- if you're not going to vote on the facts, that's probably the best you can do. clearly he's not going to like that. someone has to say...

United states is lying. kind of pathetic. joining me is jeffrey toobin, jenn sake and cnn senior political communicator david axlerod. so this latest round of transcrip transcripts, they certainly to be very consistent. i'm not addressing the notion that it's doctored because that's so ridiculous. >> what's remarkable is now he has more than a dozen people who have talked about the issue of the american relationship with ukraine. there was one issue on the book where the congress authorized and the president signed $391 million goes in military aid and rudy giuliani was conducting a separate f...