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Here. it's not the fact that there was an argument. jesse i jackson's comment was based on the fact not only was there an argument, but representative issa shut off the mic of representative cummings, and this is the first time we've seen this. >> someone shutting off a mic isn't rayist -- isn't racist. >> this is the first time we've seen such upheaval -- bill: hang on, david, there's been other examples of that happening. david, i'll quickly give you the last word there at cpac. go. >> look, we are not to believe, as i sit down here at cpac, that just because you're white and you have an arg...

Hostages -- release the hostage, we sent jesse jackson -- >> that's not the issue here or, richard. >> wait a minute now, not to mention the fact that reverend has stood up for civil rights his entire life. he's defended the innocent, the abused -- >> i've got it, richard. you do this when i went to reverend barber -- >> don't mix apples and oranges, david. don't do that. bill: gentlemen, keep it on topic here, all right? hang on one moment. >> okay. my point -- bill: why, again, does this come up? you know, is it just because cummings is black and issa's white? is that the reason? >> absolute...

A serious charge. and when you do that, it should be something where there is evidence of true racist behavior. but this is jesse jackson who also three hours after he issued that tweet on his twitter stream -- and anyone can look it up -- said that name calling is not acceptable to someone who made a name -- who called him a name on twitter. it's the hypocrisy. this is where we are. it's not about the dialogue, it's about the race baiters -- bill: david, you can call him rude, you can disagree with him, but why go there? >> absolutely. because that's all he masker bill. this is jesse jackson'...

Why does that even come up? >> well, i think the race card is a little far off on this one. what i will say is that the civility in the united states house of representatives has been totally lost, especially when it comes to the government reform committee. this seems to be a witch hunt by darrell issa that i think is just unbecoming of our united states congress totally speaking and not to mention the fact that this committee has already ruled that not only did they inappropriately target conservative groupses, but they also targeted liberal groups and progressive groups as wellment it's not...

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