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Colleyville. presumably the hostage taker was also allowed to partake. officer nelson says one hostage was released uninjured around 2 and a half hours ago. obviously this guide wants to make a point. has released a hostage. says he's armed and says he's ready to die. is this something who is mentally unstable in what does this say to you? >> at this point it has become a hybrid operation. they are the jihadi operations that start with killing every hostage they have. or as we saw in mumbai there

Blackwater and the others they are the ones that are carrying out operations in public places and they are trying to discredit the mujahdeen by blaming it on them -- >> you're saying all the jihadi operations that are taking place now in pakistan, in afghanistan where people go and blow up cafes, blow up at bus stops, those are all actually secret cia operations? >> i'm not saying all of them -- >> the young muslims who have bombs strapped to their belts are actually undercover blackwater agents? >> wait a second. what i'm saying is each operation needs to be looked at on its own merit. you wi...

Are you comfortable that the kind of thing you're advocating, most of the jihad taking place kills muslims. it kills -- >> that's rubbish. >> the jihadis in pakistan, whom are they killing? the jihadis in indonesia, whom are they killing? the jihadis in saudi arabia -- >> wait a second. if you look at the reality if you open your eyes a little bit you will find that the cia agents in the area like blackwater and the others they are the ones that are carrying out operations in public places and they are trying to discredit the moujahedeen by blaming it on them -- >> you're saying all the jihadi...