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The president has to still nominate somebody to send to congress for their approval and this administration has not been very quick about doing that. so by putting somebody in like mulvaney or somebody else that does not really want to see the cfpb succeed, you can create a very long pause on what the agency is about, what it is able to do but he could potentially be interim for a very long time. long enough to dismantle, if that s the goal, as you were mentioning, jillian. this is a pattern the administration has been following on many government programs where there s not a lot of hope of dismantling the programs altogether, including aca, so the other strategy that they use is you staff those programs with people who are not sympathetic to running them well. and i think that s exactly what s going on here. and this is a long tradition. we saw this with reagan. we saw this with bush. and i think trump has been doing this very aggressively and that s exactly what he s doing ....
Give us an interview and a photo shoot. it s worth pointing out merkel did not give an interview, did not give a photo shoot and she was still person of the year. i think the bigger picture is president trump is very r reluctant to give interviews to any outlet he s not friendly with. he speaks to fox news. he speaks to some local broadcasts he believes are pro-trump. he actually doesn t give interviews anymore to the time magazines or the cnns or the cbss of the world. that started when mueller was appointed special counsel. seems to me maybe president trump s trying to avoid giving time magazine an interview and that could be part of what s going on here. interesting. all right, brian stelter, thank you. we re going to talk about that a little bit wraerand we ro going to talk about the controversial naming of interim directors. karom, a cnn political analyst and congressional reporter for the washington post with me. also back with me, jillian zelezar, a cnn political ....