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Information was used. by making this a criminal probe, they're now able to subpoena witnesses, people they want to talk to. we've been told that some of the folks they've been wanting to talk to have not been willing to come in voluntarily. so as a result, they've been issuing subpoenas. and in order to do that, they've had to make this a criminal probe. that's just one aspect of it. ultimately we really don't know if there is something that has dom along that has caused the department of justice now to say, you know what, this is going to become a criminal probe. the other thing, obviously, t...

Clear from watching james comey, and jim clapper give constant interviews -- >> so you're saying the president has cause to not believe that russia interfered in the 2016 election? >> i think the president has -- >> to explore an unfounded conspiracy theory? >> i think the president has every reason to be suspicious of the higher-ups in the intelligence community, because we want to know, one of the questions that we want to know, the republicans in washington, is, what was the genesis of the russia investigation? i mean it was clearly no collusion, that the mueller report was -- >> do you thi...

Intelligence community. but once again, however, you may go forward, and i have. >> that's the key issue, director. because it involves the president, it does not involve the intelligence community. that is the sum and substance. and the effect of that is the inspector general has told us that he no longer has jurisdiction to investigate. and by the logic of that opinion, nor does any other inspector general. now, as you point out, this was referred to the justice department, it was referred to the fbi and justice department. that department under bill barr and with breathtaking speed decided ...

>> it's important to understand how this typically works. it's typically the case that when the president has a phone call with a foreign leader, that the transcript of that phone call is packaged up and sent out to other cabinet officials who may have an interest in that discussion. when i was at odni, it was regularly the case the director at the time, dni jim clapper, would get transcripts of those phone calls. what we're being told in this case is there are phone calls that are happening, and not only are those transcripts not distributed, in government you have classified systems that ris...

Campaign, don't you think that should be investigated? >> i have no reason to believe -- i do not understand. i have no situation awareness if that was withheld or why it was withheld, mr. chairman. >> well, i can tell you we are going to find out. director, i want to thank you for your attendance today. i want to thank you again for your service. as my colleague underscored, mr. welch, and i fully agree with his sentiment. no one has any question about your devotion to the country. no one has any question about your acting in good faith c. i want to make that very clear. i think you're a good...