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States? i've looked back over history, and it doesn't always work, that argument, saying you need to oat vote with your own economic interests for democrats. sometimes, that argument seems to backfire. >> i think that's been less and less true since the reagan years, right? during the reagan years, you saw working class democrats, you know, michigan is the classic example, start voting for republicans. since that time, i think it has been less true and harder to make. or you can't solely make the argument that -- to working class voters. by the way, working class voters across all demographics...

Voters on. how do you explain that? >> we are going to be talking about economic growth and the tax reform package is about economic growth. i think economic growth can make some of that up. we also need to be good fiscal stewards. that's why we are having oat vote on the balanced budget amendment. i have been an advocate of the balanced budget amendment for a long time and i will be until we get it in the constitution no matter whether it happens through the congress or through the states. and i think what happens in washington are the things that have to happen. until today -- >> very quickl...

That are ceasar and town god that are god'srs. he was not a socialist, he never said to joat vote for someone who is going to take money from your neighbor and give it to the poor. he said it's our job to help the poor. thomas jefferson, the whole idea that the accepted racial of church and state from -- the separation of church and state means church leaders should not have a voice is a bastardization of what tom as jefferson believed. virginia was a colony and every citizen had to be a member of the anglican church. and the king appointed the archbishop of the church. the church used the mon...

That are ceasar and town god that are god'srs. he was not a socialist, he never said to joat vote for someone who is going to take money from your neighbor and give it to the poor. he said it's our job to help the poor. thomas jefferson, the whole idea that the accepted racial of church and state from -- the separation of church and state means church leaders should not have a voice is a bastardization of what tom as jefferson believed. virginia was a colony and every citizen had to be a member of the anglican church. and the king appointed the archbishop of the church. the church used the mon...

That are ceasar and town god that are god'srs. he was not a socialist, he never said to joat vote for someone who is going to take money from your neighbor and give it to the poor. he said it's our job to help the poor. thomas jefferson, the whole idea that the accepted racial of church and state from -- the separation of church and state means church leaders should not have a voice is a bastardization of what tom as jefferson believed. virginia was a colony and every citizen had to be a member of the anglican church. and the king appointed the archbishop of the church. the church used the mon...