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Godfather." america has known since then and probably before that the most hardened criminals in the world lie, cheat, steal and murder, but sometimes, sometimes some of them tell the truth. and when criminals like joe velacci tell the truth, their criminal friends turn on them and call them a rat. which is what donald trump now calls his former friend michael cohen. leading off our discussion now, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal contributor. tim o'brien, executive editor of bloomberg opinion. he has reported on donald trump for decades and of course was sued by donald trump and wo...

Lying. he was a murderer. he was a made man in the mafia. i was a little boy in 1963 watching joe velacci testify to congress about italian organized crime in america on black and white tv. though we knew he was a murderer, we also found him very believable. i don't mean just the kids. the senators thought his testimony was believable and worth hearing. in testimony that i remember to this day, joe velacci described to the senate and america watching on tv the initiation ritual for the criminal organization we learned that day was called the cosa nostra. the ceremony was in italian and the new...

And there's a reason this is a first, because no other committee would do it. >> dana: what about that in terms of republicans, how effective to say this is a total waste of time. >> i don't know. and i suspect it's not true. i was thinking as he said that, and somebody pointed out flv been organized crime hearings with people like joe velacci, convicted murderer, they come back and testify, in federal crime investigation, about organized crime i wonder if some of the watergate defendants, who were convicted of crimes came back later and testified. look, they have made the case and it's a perf...