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Jouvenl we'll see. >> that's the news. we mentioned this in the intro there-to-me has been the most extraordinary thing, a member of the u.s. senate, ted cruz allies from you that you, had been meeting and strategizeing with gin i dozens of members of the house. last night, 60 members put a bill together, an amendment together, that says we will found fund it if obamacare is delayed a year. they did it. ted cruz is functioning like as one of the whips in the house. >> boehner has lost control. >> did he ever have control? >> we have been watching this now for basically as long as he has been s...

>> just now i spoke with president rouhani. i believe we can reach a comprehensive solution. >> president obama describing the ten-minute phone call he made to president has san rouhani of iran yesterday. that was the first time these two leaders had direct contact since 1979. we will talk about this more in a minute. we will talk more about the shutdown. joining us to do that right now is independent senator angus ka kane. thank you for joining us. i want to get to iran in a minute. i want to pick up this discussion about this drama playing out in walk. i see you are back in maine. before you...

Does your heart go out for what he is going through? >> look, i understand what he is going through. i would have more sympathy for him. i have more sympathy for the american economies and families feeling the impacts of what these republicans are doing. the s&p index declined for the first time last week because of john boehner's inability to compromise, because of his inability to bring republicans and democrats together. this is a guy who lives to keep his hands around the gavel rather than keep the economy moving. so, no, i don't have a lot of sympathy for somebody who feels it's more impo...

On that is there is the possibility the house passes this woke-long extension. we could still be talking about the next saturday. you made a point that maybe boehner needs the shutdown. the republican establishment needs the shutdown to convince their members that hey, we need to back off. i guess talking about the political dynamics that we did in the last blocks i'm wondering, would even a shut down do that, you think? >> we'll see, we're all trying to predict something here that feels very unpredictable. it's unprecedented in many ways. can you see in the fiscal cliff, john boehner tried to...