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Me go to john conason here. it seems to me cheney was running the affair. the issue is even more elaborate than ron has pointed out. it's the intelligence agency itself in its overview conducted by leon panetta said it wasn't working. so it wasn't just that the ends don't justify the means. it's a question of the ends weren't achieved by the means, which is even worse, to do the bad stuff, to go into what cheney called the dark side and come out of it with nothing. your thoughts, joe? >> that they're trying to hide. they're trying to hide. >> that's what they're trying to hide. >> that is the ...

Reporter. that's it. one guy. that's an issue of accountability that dianne finally has been pushed to the wall, is pushing back to say time's up. >> well, the thing here is, let me go to john conason here. it seems to me cheney was running the affair. the issue is even more elaborate than ron has pointed out. it's the intelligence agency itself in its overview conducted by leon panetta said it wasn't working. so it wasn't just that the ends don't justify the means. it's a question of the ends weren't achieved by the means, which is even worse, to do the bad stuff, to go into what cheney calle...