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With jay sekulow. i have a relationship with john doud. and i'm going to work with john mccann and other people and make sure we're handling ourselves in the most appropriate way possible. that's the bestic say about that. >> and so then the follow-up was communications problems versus policy and political problems. >> yeah. >> and the way you see that in the context of this presidency. >> well, long ago teddy roosevelt said that the presidency is a bully pulpit that the president has a great gift in that he's able to control the news cycle and the messaging. and so i think if we get super coo...

Notoriety. >> the president uses familiar refrains and the twitters and the media doesn't like it when he tweets. in fact, it's his staff that doesn't like it when he tweets. especially about the russia investigation. they're worried he has been advised behind closed doors. not to put these kind of message out on twitter. these all -- all these messages could be swept up by special counsel robert mueller as he looks into whether the president obstructed justice. the more he puts it out there that he believes his probe as a witch hunt, the more he attacks people like deputy attorney general rod...

That has been a pattern with donald trump for his entire life. the theory that i like to think about is how does he get out of this bind he's in, this investigation. he has the power to pardon. so could he not pardon himself? >> he could have done that for flynn in the first place. >> would he really go to the supreme court with his assertion of the right to pardon himself of all crimes. >> he love toss go to court. >> any president that has served so far -- >> did you hear that from the white house. >> it came up with sessions. >> i don't think it's come up. >> no it has not been. >> i guess ...

You to put new prison. >> within the last several minutes we confirmed that the president fired another major legal heavy hitter and team john doud who has legal team we confirmed that in the last several minutes and i would point out it is one week ago and the president told reporters he would let us all know shortly whether he has recordings of conversations and we did not receive an answer all week long. we should make that very clear and source inside council's office today told us wolf there is still no updates for this question where are the tapes. >> earlier this morning, they are refer...

Attempt to try to convince mueller that he's got to let trump out of this interview or do an interview where the president gets to answer all the questions ahead of time in a script, they reenact the mock interview that john doud did in the white house. and john doud plays robert mueller and jay sekulow plays president trump and they go back and forth and try to show mueller that the president is simply incapable of telling the truth and woodward reports that at the end they say, you see, this is -- this is what will happen. we just can't let him testify. >> so the white house is calling these...