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Yes, rudy guiliani decided the only thing that is a crime that could potentially have any impact on the president as if he somehow knew that material was hacked material or involved in the hacking, here's what he had to say about that. >> if a campaign gets that material from them, either indirectly, which they did, through the media, or directly even, as long as they're not involved in the hacking, i don't see where those people would be liable. >> i think this is a part of the public relations strategy from rudy guiliani, is to downplay any other potential crime. he talks about perjury. he s...

Than 16 times much money implicated in the john edwards scandal on newt gingrich in the 2012 primary. at least, this case is not about whether or not john ed wartds is bad guy. ultimately this sex scandal boils down to whether he took campaign donations that were too big. joining us now is hampton dellinger. he's been covering by blog. thanks for your time. it's nice to have you here. >> you're welcome. great to be with you. >> i know you've been covering this closely. did i get the basics about the scandal and the case? i wouldn't be surprised if i messed something up. >> i'm surprised you di...