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We have heard that question before. what the doj is now doing is pursuing who different international probes on opposing ends of what always was a bizarre, giuliani ukraine plot that spilled out on so many nights that he publically said, yeah, i am working with them. and i am going after the bidens. it boomeranged politically with the impeachment. will it boomerang legally? well, that's under investigation. we're joined now by john flanry. he did work with giuliani long before that stage of giuliani's career. you can see the two men there at what i believe, john, was an sdny reunion. >> no. ac...

After that they did. there were meetings with rudy's two sidekicks. and the indictment that lays out that against lev and igor and two other people, what is their motivation to do this except to satisfy rudy's objective and the member of parliament's objective. so we see campaign finance objectives and we see a fara complaint as well. >> yeah. let me play you -- john, let me play you a little new giuliani as you expertly give us the story line, which sounds incriminating. i wanted to play giuliani talking to steve bannon, pardoned by the president. >> this is a vendetta. it should be illegal i...

Search warrant that they got is based on that discovery and i'm sure other things, and that's how they made the search of his apartment and they made the search of his office and victory yeah's home. >> right. >> and so this is a circle that's closing on him. he can go out there and do his dance in the street, but this is pretty serious stuff. and he'd be wise to keep his mouth shut. and he's losing motions. and the judge today basically said until you are charged, you don't really have any rights to any of these things that you want. >> right. and that's the big picture, is a lot of this nois...

Donald trump. i'm going to look at his whole life and let's see what i can pin a crime on. that's what they're doing to donald trump. >> that's pretty funny. >> john? >> yes. well, let's get the whole band together again. i mean, each and every one of those people looks like a bunch of wise guys, given what we know now and what we knew even when he was saying that. rudy giuliani has become, you know, this, i don't know -- just a big liar. you know, i have said this about trump, and it's become true about rudy. except when he admits something that's helpful to the case you can't rely on anythin...

But does it meet the constitution's requirement the president should only be impeached on these grounds, treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors. we welcome former federal prosecutor john flanry. he assisted in democrats in the clinton impeachment debate and constitutional attorney david rivken who served in the white house counsel's office and has represented the 26 states that challenged the constitutionality of ob ama's affordable care act >> nice to be here, ari. >> great to have you. i want to say for viewers to understand, we will begin with each of you getting 60 seconds ...