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Way, john, that the way ford's representatives are handling this case that they are somehow mishandling it and using it for political gain? >> from their point of view, they're handling it brilliantly. because this is both an accusation that has to be taken seriously and something that is clearly political. all you have to do is look around the people advising her. they are all either former obama, clinton, or in the case of her new lawyer, andrew mccabe's only personal attorney, so if you can't see political angle here, as i said last hour, i have some bridges to sell you. arthel: what do you...

Congressman keith ellison. eric: stephanie, thank you. ellison not up for the supreme court, of course, attorney general for state of minnesota. a lot of interesting questions. the conversation will continue. arthel: i want to bring back in joel ruben, a former deputy assistant secretary of state under president obama, now the president of the washington strategy group, as well as the columnist for the national review john funn. as this story has been unfolding this afternoon and so many questions swirling around here, i want to get your fresh thoughts right now at 4:10 p.m. eastern time. john...

>> my point was -- >> it doesn't matter. >> give me the differences between how the anita hill hearing was conducted and what the committee is proposing today. he's named one which is frankly not the case and incomplete. i'm waiting for the second example. >> john, not only did i give it to you. >> it is wrong. give me the second example. >> john, what you are doing is you are rejecting the facts. the facts are that there was an additional investigation and that -- >> it stopped as soon as the name was leaked >> john -- arthel: all right. >> it is not possible for you to judge what i'm saying ...

Potentially for three decades. so this needs to be done right. and i agree with what john is saying about anita hill in the hearings and the process. why can't we have a similar process to what we had back in 91? why is it that the committee is not calling for the kind of process that gives people confidence that this kind of discussion will be handled properly -- >> joel -- >> i'm sorry, john -- >> what is the committee prom - proposing right now that's different than what anita hill had? >> first and foremost, the committee is denying opening up the background investigation to ensure we have...