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States. adding to the intrigue surrounding ukraine, an announcement from the state department this morning that secretary pompeo will travel to kiev on friday and meet with president zelensky. the first in-person high level meeting between a u.s. official and zelensky since president trump's bilateral discussion back in september. joining me now, aaron lipton a reporter and one of the authors of today's front page story. msnbc contributor and former republican congressman david jolly. and analyst phil rucker and from "the washington post" and also in studio john gans, former speech writer to a...

Been fired saying he got involved in the process. now eddie gallagher will keep his trident point without the review process. >> jeff bennet has been all over the impeachment inquiry but today he is with me here in new york. david druker also here. joist vance and john gans. also the author of "white house warriors." what is your reaction to all that happened here and the fallout? >> well i think the first thing you worry about is the happening

There are certain norms how that sport is play and this is way outside the norm. you had people who are not part of the administration like rudy giuliani running renegade shadows a foreign policy. a foreign policy that's subverting the national interests of the country for the personal interest of the president. that's the distinct of other back channel types of foreign policies of what we are hearing coming out. >> john gans, we hathe ukrainia parliament is still under this new president so concerned of the pressure of getting u.s. military aid against russia. they are continuing their inquir...

Foreign policy over ukraine, that relationship did not have, have state department control. he lost a lot of confidence in his own building. >> john gans, this was also of course what we saw with john bolton. there was a lot of concerns that john bolton would be too rigid of the iran posture that he had, too much of an outlier, he was pushed out over his objections with the rudy giuliani. he also lost control of the rudy giuliani's back channel. that was a key factor which is now the impeachment inquiry. >> thoroughabsolutely. when you have this job, you have a lot of bosses, you have the pres...

>> i wish you well with the book. john gans, again, is the author of "white house warriors: how the national security council changed the american way of war." our thanks for stopping by. coming up for us, a look back on a week for the history books with a pulitzer prize winning historian who knows from history books, when we come back. everyone's got to listen to mom.