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Evidence can be given an testimony can be given but the catholic church opposes that. so what they say and what they do -- >> martha: father john, final thought. >> the transparency point, i 100% agree with you. it needs to not only be at the diocese and state level company needs to go to the vatican. i don't see the vatican opening up the archives, there is no real investigation if the vatican does not open up their archives, number one. but secondly, about the statute of limitations, let me push back a little bit here. why doesn't the state of new york want to limit the statute of limitation...

Beco yes, canon law it requires they document the sexual abuse and they keep those records and they actually have files called secret files which the cardinal has or the archbishop has, where the ugliest facts are. it took me years in boston to reach the secret files through a court order but we eventually got to the secret files and it showed the bernard cardinal law knew that father john jay kagan was sexually abusing children but he didn't want it public. >> martha: there was some amazing reporting done on those stories and also the movie spotlight in the moment when they go down the halls ...