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They have the courage to go into that willingly and accept the risks. general kelly said that's the perspective from in the president was speaking when talking to the widow. again, we get the perspective from the president, we get the perspective, very powerful, from general john kelly. we have not heard the wife's perspective. at some point, shep, we will hear that. which may be able to further close the circle in this particular incident. i'll tell you, shep, i've known john kelly a long time. he was a keynote speaker at an organization that my wife and i are involved in that takes care of g...

Is live. very emotional to hear him speak that way but he speaks of a congresswoman. there's an aunt involved here. an aunt that served as the mother of this young man who died. and his statement is very powerful. theirs were as well. >> yeah, it's a case, shep of everybody seems to have their own interpretation of what happened here. i think what is really important to remember here is that general john kelly, the chief of staff, speaks from a point of having suffered the unbelievable grief that a parent feels when -- or a mother or a father, whether it's a son or a daughter or a wife or a ho...

Now they need it to end. john kelly made it clear the nation needs it to end. >> well, we can take what he said this afternoon, shep and see where things go from here. i thought the most powerful thing that general kelly said was this -- after the erosion of everything else that we held sacred in american society had -- after the erosion of that, after that had gone away, the one thing that was still sacred is these phone calls and this process of notifying the family of a fallen hero. now that appears to have been breached as well. so we'll see where things go from here. perhaps the notificat...

Only way to pass along civic values is to first live up to the civic values. this was a criticism of the political moment. you saw a little bit of that in john kelly's comments as well. he criticized the democratic congress person but he was also speaking to president trump who had participated in the politization of the death of the soldier. what john kelly, a painfully presentation. you couldn't help but know that he was talking about his own son when he talks about the death on the battlefield and pack it in ice and goes to dover to be embalmed. this painful moment for him what he was sayin...

Life. all of these values that were under siege in american culture, and so to the treatment of soldiers that died on the battlefield. he's speaking to this, george bush speaking to this, john mccain speaking to this. again, transcending the current partisan fighting, as george bush points out, the bullies in political life and trying to articulate big american values that if we lose sight of them, we are in big trouble, particularly with adversaries like russia. >> shepard: good to hear and painful. thank you, john. president trump may walk right up to the north korean border in a couple week...