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And so many years. and they're still, still the same. like it was yesterday. >> look it was yesterday. ten years later thashgs that's what so many ka tree that survivors will tell you it feels like. the memories still vivid. the pain still sharp. for so many, especially those who lost loved ones, it's like the storm never stopped. >> it's really hard to get an estimate. but i am sure it's 50% more than the -- than the official figure which is a round 1,800. >> john mudder study the effects of natural disasters at columbia university and says the official death toll from katrina is far too low....

People were at first deemed missing like tonette jacks on while others died after being displaced by the storm. if you were trying to escape and you rolled your car and you died in a car accident the day before. that wouldn't have happened otherwise. and then, how many days afterwards do you, do you keep counting. and -- if you died because of the exacerbation of the existing condition, something you would have died of anyway. including some weeks later should you be counted. there is no uniform standard of this. john mudder made a list of every death related to katrina, using record from the ...