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Wrong, i shouldn't have used -- i articulated the n word all the way out and i shouldn't have done that. i'll bring in our panel. jill merit thanks for joining us. john riddly and tim wise, the author of "color blind." thanks for joining me. some people are saying, do we have to talk about this? yeah, i think we need to talk about it. but we should talk about it more. obvious lynn it's an issue. tim starting with you, your initial reaction to dr. laura? >> well, i mean, my initial reaction is that unfortunately, the kind of things that she was saying to this caller, not the "n" word per se but...

Back with our conversation now. we're talking the john riddly, tim wise and jill merit to talk about dr. law's use of the "n" word. here's my thing. in my personal life i do this, i talk to you guys this as a journalist because it's part of the national conversation. i don't care what someone calls me. if someone calls me that it's really more of a reflection on them if they call me the "n" word. someone upon twitter agree. someone says, i'm a black person and i don't care what a white person calls me. it is recrimination and violence that matters. tim, what do you think about that? have i gon...