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In wake forest north carolina, the cumulative gpa for graduating seniors in 1988 was 2.84. in 2014, it was 3.4. nationally, the most common grade given in college courses right now is an a. according to "the new york times," a quarter of all grades given are as. in other words, more students are feeling, yet nobody fails. kids no less, but their teachers assure them they know more. colleges barely teach, but every year they increase their fees. try that and a private business, you might get indicted for fraud. would an american university, and you could billions in taxpayer subsidies. mark roo...

St. john's, but that's what i know best, our students read 200 books. i mean 200 serious books over the course of theirn education. mr. carlson, we are, for a very free a folks. we have about 800 students between the two campuses. our students are very self-selecting. they know what they are getting into, they know how hard it's going to be. that is a very serious challenge for a lot of students. most colleges are not like that. >> tucker: maybe you've put y your finger on it. what you are offering is a traditional liberal arts education that would have been familiar to a lot of well-educated ...

And there is a place for that. there's a place for people who want to get trained to do a job. even though we also know from colleges, only about 20% of students will actually work and something they majored in. as you may know, mr. carlson, we don't have majors at st. john's. we don't think that life breaks down into majors. again, we are just very different. the liberal arts education can be described as very different things in very different places. at st. john's, it's an all required work worked curriculum. everyone is taking all the same courses and theyam are all of equal rigor and equa...

Career preparation and there is a place for that. there's a place for people who want to get trained to do a job. we know from colleges that only about 20% of students who work on something that they majored in and you may know, we don't have majors at st. john's. we don't think that life breaks down into majors. again, we are just very different. the liberal arts education can be described as very different things in very different places. at st. john's, it's not required. everyone is taking all the same courses and they are all equal rigor and demands. they are very small classes. an average...

Thanks for coming on. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: i want to talk to you specifically because i think this is not to promote your school, but i think st. john's is different from most universities. you've got an advantage. looking at the country, how does it happen that when more people are coming to college than ever before, there is a consistent decline in adult literacy? how does that happen? >> first of all, thank you for allowing st. john's to join this conversation. we believe in conversations and civil discourse and that's another thing as you pointed out that unfo...