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Showed so little increments, in naming portman of ohio as his running mate? >> a little bit but not hugely. i think portman is overstated in terms of commodity and someone who has known identity. this is the problem of being described as bland, as you do not have some huge brand, known for exciting or interesting. i don't think he is hugely known to his state. that may change as we get closer to the election. there is a reason why people say the vp pick doesn't win a state and you think you are looking at it right there. >> i don't think i've ever been called bland. that's one thing i've avoid...

Bankrupt. quote, if general motors, ford and chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the american automotive industry goodbye. it won't go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed. john, my buddy, what do you make of this hutzpah here? what he fails to point out is that the americans barack obama invefrted hearly and n the auto industry and brought them back. >> like you said, chris, help was given and because of that op-ed, mistakes were made. i think it reflects as much as everything certainly some hutzpah, unbu it reflects the nar...

Balanceder dash here? >> i think what john said is exactly right. i think this speaks to the path that he has and what a problem he has, and the memory of it in michigan, i think mitt romney actually has a bunch of problems in michigan. theoretically, he has roots there, but there hasn't been a romney in office forever. this was a tough state for him, anyway. you had the republican governor actually saying, ultimately, not echoing the negative sentiment that mitt romney did about the auto bailout. that sort of underscored where this goes. i think for mitt romney, there is a problem for a leap ...

There. >> maggie, are you sur prused at our poll we just showed that showed so little increments, in porking portman of ohio as his running mate? >> a little bit but not hugely. i think portman is overstated in terms of commodity and someone who has known identity. this is the problem of being described as bland, as you do not have some huge brand, known for excite org interesting. i don't think he is hugely known to his state. that may change as we get closer to the election. there is a reason why people say the vp pick doesn't win a state and you think you are looking at it right there. >> i...

Have followed what abraham lincoln said, the company should do for the people what they cannot do for themselves. with no free market money, the governor had to be the investor. there were no private sector investors. his theory was based on ideology, not reality. >> i think you hit on exactly what it is, ideology. prior to the 2008 race, romney, or during the 2008 race, romney's passion position was more pro bailout and they were working out a framework. i think this is the problem as john said, as you said, there is a lovely theory of the case. and some people did subscribe to it. but to say...