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Mobilized, volunteer organizations mobilized, it made a huge difference in 2010 and the white house knew they were in trouble in 2012 and had to e mass ka late these organizations and they did. they were much more concerned about going out and doing their job and more concerned with staying out of white house. the white house, the fact that they appointed somebody who made political contributions to the president to do the investigation, come on. >> even rick thought this was ridiculous. hold on a second. i want to get back to john because he brought up this point. john, do you think that had ...

Instagram should have been more vigilant. >> steve what is the dividing line between freedom of expression and responsibility to police? >> well, the thing is, you don't know. really, between somebody letting off steam and the just being ugly and somebody's actually going to carry it out tuned have instagram responsible for it is preposterous. they can't. this is a trial lawyer's delight. something goes wrong, you should have tagged this one and sued pants off them. we should focus on public rhetoric by public officials who semicondone what essentially happened. >> for sure. >> and you see tha...

Is that a special prosecutor would easily discern between lois lerner and the white house. i think it's a really bad idea that we are con flating those two. i'm actually all for a special prosecutor. >> the irs works for the treasury department and the irs council is a political appointee. when asked during congress what do you know about this he said i don't know, 80 times. doesn't that tell you that something weird is going on here? >> it came from the white house. >> hold on a second. i want to get to john's point which is very important. there was a political election that may have been in...

What is difficult to interpret whether nonprofit is actually a political organization. >> but lerner said cincinnati should not be included in all this. so is it time for the white house to come clean. i'm david asman. welcome to "forbes on fox." we have steve forbes, mike oh, sane yan, elizabeth mcdonald, and john tanny. john, the white house was dumping all this on cincinnati but the lerner memos show she wanted to keep them out of it. >> the reality is that the course of history may have been changed by the irs' actions. groups formed influenced the 2012, to blunt the obamacare ground game ...