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Counsel and answered questions about a meeting with the russian ambassador according to a person briefed on the investigation." tooimz reports it focused on a meeting between kushner and michael flynn. back with us to talk about all of it, philip rucker, tamara keith, jonathan swan, john whileman. john, what do you infer from this? i have come to believe largely two things about the mueller effort. number one, we never know more than 5% to 10% and they never tell graph their next moves. >> i agree 100%. again, to focus on your first point, we don't really know what it means. and they are letti...

Let's add to the conversation, our panel. msnbc national affairs analyst john whileman joins the table, philip pope, and herald ford, jr. first, just react to nbc news report that while it wasn't carried out, we did not increase our nuclear stockpile ten fold, and secretary mattis did respond saying that the president didn't call for it. that does not knock down our report that he inquired about it. you saw over the course of the campaign donald trump's instincts and impulses on nuclear weapons. it was really fascination, and like with all things trump, often contradictions as well as an obses...