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Roy kohn who is the master of witch hunts, you wonder if he's taking a page out of that book and saying, here's the way to become the johnny apple seed of planting seeds of doubt, you lash out, you make people realize that the court of public opinion links directly to impeachment. you will have the strings attached to congressmen and women who will have to vote in some way on your impeachment. on the other hand, someone who would like everything to be resolved, let the chips fall as they may. that often tends to see someone who is silent, who let's everything go on. it's always a constant batt...

Does this come from a guilty conscience? >> it's hard to say definitively. with the actions of someone who's acting out. are they someone who should be defiant? or should they be a defend. you wonder about this, because at the one hand you mentioned roy kohn who is the master of witch hunts, you wonder if he's taking a page out of that book and saying, here's the way to become the johnny apple seed of planting seeds of doubt, you lash out, you make people realize that the court of public opinion links directly to impeachment. you will have the strings

Argument, we've already got evidence that the judge was fully informed that there was a payment that was made to mr. steele. the other thing i'll say on this that i think is also important is that steele himself never had primary information. so he always had sources. so if you think about the dossier or the conversations he would have the with the fbi, it was never him saying i spoke to carter page or i spoke to a russian. he's saying i spoke to somebody else who spoke to someone. and to get into a fisa, everything that goes in there has to be independently verified. so there has to be indepe...

As fbi agent, if steele said i spoke to "x," we would go speak to "x" or "y." >> peter baker, the nation turns its lonely eyes to our print journalist and in "the new york times" tradition give me the r.w. johnny apple, jr. lead piece, the thought piece kind of what have we learned? i'm reminded the "state of the union" was tuesday night of this week. what have we learned here come friday night? >> well, i'm just struck by, of course, the situation where we have a president of the united states basically at war with an fbi that's run by his own appointee and a justice department that, again, i...

Johnny apple seed award. cast reasonable doubt. all the contradiction is a great thing in the core public opinion because you never know which one has the right story and which one is credible. laying the ground work to discredit the agency that is investigating people closer to your inner circle. now you add the contradictions. and what are the american people to do? how do they evaluate it? which is why you have to look to the special counsel office who can weighed through all of this and say this is what the media is doing in playing catch up and the seed planting is going on. but ultimatel...