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Been doing this for 24 years i don't bring cases prior to a thorough, rigorous investigation. now having done so, the case has been brought >> i do not bring cases prio to a thorough and rigorous investigation. but now having done so, th kiss has been dropped brought. -- i want to bring into our conversation our colleague cor malphurs, host of the beach, a msnbc chief legal correspondent, also with list throughout th night tonight, andrew weissmann, who is of course when th senior prosecutors on robert mueller's special counse investigation. he also served as fbi genera counsel, also crossed t...

Investigation. he also served as fbi genera counsel, also crossed than christian, who is a veteran of the same manhattan distric attorney's office that brought these felony charges against the former president today he's a former special assistan da from that office. thank you all to our legal firepower here for being here. and join catherine, let me jus with you guys. we have been pontificating ove here at the table here as if w are lawyers. and we absolutely are not. have we gotten anything wrong, or is anything important tha you think we are missing in terms of understanding th law here and...

A judge is going to do that's the reason you lay out your strongest ones, and here there are just too many options that i'm sure when the defense looked at this they were actually thinking this is more than what we sort of bargained for. >> catherine, let me just ask you to expand what andrew said there especially his point about how he don't necessarily have to charge the crime that would bump this up to a felony. you vus to show there was an intent to commit that crime, whether or not it was in fact committed, whether or not it is, in fact, charged for those of us who aren't lawyers that can...