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He is -- he was his partner. he was there for everything, don. he was there for all of the meetings with the fbi. he was there for 90% of the killings. and everything that whitey did he knew about. whether he was there or he wasn't there. he was well informed. they were partners. but, in the end, we know who the real boss was because, hey, what guy would let a man, okay, kill his own girlfriend? someone that he loved so much. whether he had dropped, you know, a little word to her saying that, you know, they were associated with a fbi agent and had to meet him for, you know, and stuff like that...

>> yeah. i mean, out of respect to -- out of respect to the family and respect to him, also. >> all right. let's move on to thursday, red. okay? because steven "the rifleman" flemmi took the stand. he was the right-hand made for nearly two decades. they exchanged some on sceneties and then by friday he admitted the role in ten killings. he says bulger ordered including the strangling death of his girlfriend, 26-year-old deborah davis. it was that testimony that brought one of the jurors to tears. red, you worked with bulger. did you know flemmi and how damaging do you think his testimony is? >...

Safety after you come on television and say all this stuff? you don't hold your tongue. you say it like it is. do you ever worry? >> a guy who's walked the walk and has never ratted on anyone as we know, i can walk down any street anywhere any time and respected for being a man and taking responsibility and not pointing the finger at anyone in my life or in the life that i lived at the time. these guys here, they're the first guys to get on the stand, to save their soul, to save their hide and point the finger at each other. i didn't. i have nothing to worry about. >> jon "red" shea, thank you...