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Some penance in admission of guilt, and then you move on. but when you try to cover something up and you don't confess or accept punishment for it, it stays with you. why doesn't penn state want to get this over with, take their punishment and penalty and get in the huddle and figure out the future? why do they want to go back at this thing when everybody knows they were guilty? >> well, i think penn state probably does want to continue on and get this behind them. and i think it needs to be pointed out this is governor corbett acting independent of penn state. even though he has sat on the bo...

Such a hurt is people wonder why as an attorney general it took him so long to move on sandusky. why when he had one credible reporter meaning a child who was then founded in his complaints. why didn't they slap the cuffs on sandusky? but i have to say, i don't like that ncaa sanction. i think it was too stiff of a sanction on the football program. something with which i know buzz disagrees. >> what about this case dealing with rape of a young boy. what do you do when you find that was covered up? >> you prosecute those who participated. and the criminal process one at a time is dealing with t...

Years from the time the victim who came forward who was believed and started this prosecution until the time they put handcuffs on sandusky. i guess my point is there's still much more to come. >> of course. there's a lot more to come. why did it take three years? because of politics. because tom corbett was the attorney general and he was running for governor and he didn't want to alienate the penn state contribution base. we all know that. that to me is not speculation. every speculation that concerned people have had about this has come true. joe paterno did not care less that jerry sandusk...

I'll tell you what, michael, you and i have talked a lot about this case, but i read this today and i just shook my head and said to myself, they're all liars. every one of them lied. not only to themselves and the public and the campus, but they went before a grand jury and they ball faced lied. they knew in 1998 that jerry sandusky had a problem with boys and for 14 years -- can i repeat that? 14 years. they let him have his way not only as a coach with a lot of athletes there at penn state, but bringing in these second mile kids by the dozens. it just churns my stomach. >> and buzz, when yo...

Clock and say mcqueary comes to the house on a saturday morning, it's just been three years since paterno was in the loop on sandusky having been investigated for that. that's the moment if not in '98, that's the moment the hammer should have been put down. instead the response was i'm not going to react immediately because it's the weekend. i'm sure you remember that. >> of course. the hammer should have been put down in 1998. the hammer was not put down. they went out of their way. forget about abuse of kids. they went out of their way to probably give jerry sandusky the biggest sweetheart r...