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Drop coverage because if the republican plans, ours or anybody else's, will drop the plan because the mandate, the individual mandate goes away. jonathan grouper said that's ridiculous. that's not the reason people drop coverage. it's because the government's not forcing them to get it. >> let me ask you, senator santorum. who are the americans supposed to believe, the republicans who want this bill, the democrats who don't want this bill or the nonpartisan cbo? >> i think what you have to do -- what they have to believe is actually what's before them. look at what the bill does. >> isn't that...

Healthy moms and kids that's exactly the same as the seniors and the disabled. that doesn't make sense to anybody who's looking at this -- not just health care economists or individuals who are experts on financing and delivery of health care, but the common american ordinary people say, well, that doesn't make any sense if you're caring for moms and kids in the same way you're caring for disabled and the aged. so think about -- imagine a system, if you will, that actually responds to the needs of those healthy moms and kids in a much more flexible and responsive manner. you could save huge am...

Expanding medicaid in some states and not paying insurers what the federal government poms promised them. now they have responsibility for replacing it and they realize gee, this is pretty hard. there's no easy way to fix this. there's no way to please the right wing of the party without causing enormous dislocation to the vast majority of americans. that's a huge problem. >> jonathan grouper of mit, appreciate it. >> my pleasure. straight ahead, a new move in what's sure to be a long battle over president trump's revised travel ban. federal judges have blocked it for now. the trump administ...

Everything. bernie sanders said hillary clinton has bad judgment. this is a perfect example of it. >> you said you want to end obamacare and make coverage accessible for people with preexisting conditions. how do you do that if you are not mandating that. >> i have a plan. >> what does that mean. >> you have plans that are so good because we will have so much competition when we break out the lines that allow the competition to come. you going to mandate that americans have to have health insurance? >> president obama by keeping the lines around each thing and it was almost done until just t...

That doesn't accomplish any of that. so you're not going to get john mccain back no matter what. >> well, all i would say is, that people -- we'll have a hearing on monday. we'll have a cbo score on monday. we're going to have -- >> partial cbo score. >> partial in what respect? with respect to the budget act? the budget act says that the congressional budget office has to give what the impact is on the federal budget. everything else at cbo is not required in the budget act. >> the number of people who could -- >> that's not required under the budget act. >> but that's important for viewers. ...