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Of the push back that he's getting from like ran paul and others saying he's giving warfare. the president's argument is that this is not my fault, this is europe's fatality ault and thisa that's hurting your business. this is me standing up making america great and these other countries don't like it. as a result, i am your guy and i will help you. the president has to continue to give billions of dollars to aid farmers and you can see criticism and in the short term of the trump administration says he's going to do, he's doing it to keep his base and other stocks from being angry at him and ...

Look, the president should be meeting with the the e. leader. it comes a day after the white house announced a $12 billion bail out to farmers to have been hurt by the president's tariffs. i am joined by josh barrel and our white house's correspondent, they are both msnbc contributors. good to have both of you. josh, let me start with you. i have an idea for them, the u.s. and the e.u. drop all tariffs and barriers and subsidies, that'll be called free market and fair trade. hope they'll do it, we are ready but they won't. how significant is today's meeting and what are the chance that the pre...

But they did not exchange the traditional handshake. how much to read into that will be for others to decide. juncker also pointing out we shouldn't talk at each other, we should talk to each other, and appreciating the chance to come to the white house and to speak in the oval office. but the president was in some ways delivering spoken tweets. he was saying the kinds of things we are seeing on twitter about wanting no barriers to trade and that that would be better. so the president not really moving much in his public statements on his position, what happened behind the scenes or will happe...

And other people look at. and in some ways, it's a hard question, because if it's a personal thing, a health thing, and she's not the one that people that people elected into office, i might lend her some personal time and say, look, whatever's going on, we know she had this week-long stay or almost week-long stay in the hospital. i talked to her spokesperson several times and other people in her office, asking kind of, what's going on with the first lady? they all say she's doing fine. but, i'm not sure if we're going to have the right to actually say, hey, this is what -- you have to tell us...

In the "sacramento bee." and it's related to partisanship to a certain extent, this is something we've talked about a lot in this broadcast. independent voters now out-number republicans in california, becoming the second largest voting bloc. it's big news in california. is this the wave of the future, josh? are folks becoming so disgusted with both parties that they're going to start shedding their party affiliation? >> they may change their voter registration as we're seeing in california, but political scientists talk about this concept called pseudo independents, which is people who descri...