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This? >> it was fairly muted. twenty students showed up. largely not from students, some from alumni or towns folk isn't this a? they are firing the minister. but basically it was hardly noticed. >> do you do any undercover reporting in this story? >> the smith college? all women's college some. >> what i'm getting at. >> it was the wig makers. >> you didn't sense, though, from the administration at smith that this was a move justified some some separation of church and state? this was all about the fact that the kids just didn't want to go to state-sponsored chaplains? >> it was partly that. ...