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With linda farrenstein, the famed attorney by her side and another powerful attorney and with these folders of information and photographs that he wanted to use to smear his accusers and stop the story in the 11th hour. that was an off-the-record meeting that he kind of surprised us with, but in the book we're able to bring it on to the record and show readers what it was like. >> how? >> we were able -- i'm not going to sort of provide my -- you know, all of my sources on this, but we were able to work with participants in the meeting to bring that on to the record. so that readers can be in ...

Right balance, you don't want to be so pesz missick, or you talk the economy down, you don't want to be too optimistic, but you've got to be realistic, when i see a politician with that kind of message, it's music to my ears. i remember a wire guy, when king was a wire guy, you wouldn't write what bill clinton was saying, you wrote news and you covered up the s and you said if it's not new, it's not news, that was one of the john king journalism lessons that you caught me. >> if you were advising, would you -- >> you have to be optimistic, but you also have to look like you're not being fake i...