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Economy, doing all that stuff. he ended up not governing that way and there's probably some sour grapes there. the speed and i think yes and yes and yes, but, it's going to be an insufferably long four yearsf we're going to have to cover evd michelle obama give. by which i mean, we're giving is equal time as we are a nuclear threat from north korea. i think at a certain point, it's like, it's worthwhile to mention, it's worthwhile to discuss, but it's not worthwhile to drag this every time he gives a speech. >> harris: journalistically speaking, you cover the first. primarily because we are ap...

I haven't read the interview. oftentimes softball interviews can glean a lot of new information, because that person feels so comfortable. i'm not sure if that was, you know, achieved in this case, but you know, to give sean penn a little bit of credit, let's face it, guys, it takes a lot of courage to go up into the mountains and sit across from a vicious drug dealer and conduct an interview. >> let's talk about that issue about the journalism aspect of this a little bit. >> sure. >> one is, do you think that journalistically speaking, i don't know if you had a chance to read the piece but jo...