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Much journeyman work for allen. >> but do you know about his role now in the organization? was that when he was just starting out you said? >> it was basically when he was just starting out. he was young and a very smart guy and hard worker. i can imagine that he would have moved up in the ranks absolutely. >> eliot, you point out in new york a grand jury witness is granted immunity so that's obviously significant here. >> new york is a state that grants full transactional immunity to witnesses compelled to testify before the grand jury. that means he can't be prosecuted for anything that he s...

Worked on a california project, i was a consultant at the end of my tenure, and jeff was a young accountant. we had occasion to talk to him once in a while. he would look at our expenses and things like that. he wasn't the controller. this is the first i'm hearing of it and i'm happy because i liked him a lot and i think he's a good man. but he was just doing pretty much journeyman work for allen. >> but do you know about his role now in the organization? was that when he was just starting out you said? >> it was basically when he was just starting out. he was young and a very smart guy and ha...