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Had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. >> the deputy attorney general and i concluded that the evidence developed by the special counsel is not sufficient to establish that the president committed an obstruction of justice offense. >> kicking off our special tonight, former federal prosecutor john flannery, joyce van and eugene robinson. good evening to each of you. we have had some time to let it set in. eugene, what does it mean that mueller has spoken? but spoken after so many others. >> well, it makes a difference. though it didn't go b...

Of how this report is understood. >> joyce, the weather also had a lot of clouds, which makes it hard to see the sun, which provides the light from the office of legal counsel opinion, classic analogy. but take a listen side by side. what we didn't have until this week is the way that barr treated this to the way mueller did when it comes to the central question america has been discussing for months, which is what do you do if there is a crime committed by the president in office. >> we specifically asked him about the olc opinion and whether or not he was taking a position that he would have...

President. >> john, take a look, then, at the sound of both of them now. we have again for the first time, barr and mueller on the idea that, yeah, some things go beyond the doj. >> absolutely. >> special counsel mueller did not indicate that his purpose was to leave the decision to congress. i am told that his reaction to that was that it was my prerogative as attorney general to make that decision. >> the opinion says that the constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing. >> joyce, when you hear that, is he nicely...

Would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime. >> joyce, now that mueller has spoken once and for all, what are we to take from it on that point? >> i think that there is some very fine legal arguments being drawn by the attorney general technically saying that mueller didn't go far enough down the road that the office of legal counsel memo compelled his decision. but those are really differences without a distinction. it is clear from mueller's comments. it is clear from the report itself that the special counsel's team operated in an envir...

Political folks. people at the nra. it's very likely she would be damaging to a lot of people who hadn't yet been publicly identified in this investigation. mueller will certainly be interested. this is a district of columbia's case but mueller's prosecutors would be interested in anything she has to offer. >> it will be interesting. joyce van, thank you very much. president trump averages more than eight lies per day. in fact, things have got son bad that the "washington post" has unveiled a new lie designation. the bottomless pinocchio. here to exclusively reveal their choice, next.