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In both iowa and new hampshire and it's hard to see, even with the surging -- supposedly surging crews and supposedly surging rubio. >> they are surging. they've gone up a lot. they now have moved in -- there's a first tier and second tier. there's a solid second tier now and it's moving up. >> absolutely. we forget how many of those other people -- there are 12 other people or whatever it is. we talk about jeb bush as if he's an important figure but just on the numbers and he's important in all of the donors behind him and his brother and father were president but there's very few people will...

Trump has been putting forth about jeb bush. he looks weak, he looks whiney. he looks wary, tired, doesn't have that fire in the belly. he always talked about being the candidate that will run a campaign in a joyful manner. >> the joyful tortoise, he said. >> exactly. it seems everything except that and so i think this is a time he has to reevaluate and, yes, he's saying that he's going to stay in this for the long run because he has a lot of money in his super pac. when you have a campaign that is foiling and you have to start cutting salaries and slashing staff, that's the beginning of the e...

And while george w. bush today insisted today that his brother is "going to win because he's a fierce competitor," their father, george h.w. bush, is reportedly so exasperated at a gop electorate currently rejecting his son and embracing donald trump he's telling friends, "i'm getting old at just the right time." on friday jeb bush ordered major cutbacks to save campaign cash including cutting his campaign payroll by 40%. and over the weekend a candidate who once described himself as "a joyful tortoise" in a long race sure didn't sound very joyful. >> if this election is about how we're going ...

>> david, another candidate we heard from, calling himself the joyful tortoise, he seems frustrated, i don't know what frustrated animal you want to put with it, but he was speaking out over the weekend and here's what he said that's getting a lot of attention. >> if this election is about how we're going to fight to get nothing done, then i don't want any part of it. i have a lot of cool things i could do than sit around, being miserable, listen to people demonize me and me feeling compelled to demonize them. that is a joke. elect trump if you want that. >>. >> that is a joke, vote for trump ...

Getting attentionti, and passio. jeb has a lot of time and money to make up the ground. for the moment not showing the spark, fire, sense of urgency that would make voters turn his way and make voters turn his way with confidence about him in the white house. >> despite the exclamation point on his poster? >> the exclamation point seems like a wish more than a reality. i have to say, last 36 hours a number of instances jeb has shown a new fire. your own john buerman said the tortoise is becoming the snapping turtle. that's a good development. >> you wrote about this, he described himself, as t...