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Both of them join us now. that plumber, comment in particular, juan i thought was interesting, but joe biden, supposed to be an asset in the campaign in part because of his appeal to blue-collar workers and he seems to be demeaning blue-collar workers in a statement like that. >> he also said there are pretty smart plumbers. it could be interpreted that way. when i watch the clips it made me laugh especially that last one. sometimes you got to wonder but the fact is he is very personable. he is a very charming guy. part of the reason he was selected as vice president as you said to reach out t...