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Coming from white house deputy press secretary, judd deer. he says the conversation shifted from debating the certification of the election in arizona and auto arizona to impeachment, talk at the 25th amendment and the senators thought that any effort to last sustained injection into any state had and it. basically, it did come up, and people were debating the 25th amendment as, you know, we had suspected. >> yeah, i mean what is coming out of this committee is quite incredible, not just for his two sikh but right here in this moment and the 21st century, president trump and his allies if it h...

Sensitive material, but that was only if they were copies. one of the things with the presidential records act is if they were the original copy, that is not something you can dispose of. that's what will be interesting to learn is were those documents that mark meadows was burning in his fireplace original copies and what was the nature of those documents. >> and another revelation from the transcripts that we got yesterday was from judd deer who said in the week after the election he heard gossip around the building, meaning the west wing, that trump was considering conceding and strongly co...

Scalia is among those who may be able to paint a picture of exactly what was going on there. also when you gander at this list, the names that stand out to me include caroline wren who was one of the principle fund-raisers for this stop the steal rally that took place at the ellipse and you know, you talk about the follow the money, that was a big apart of the investigation. the green team within the january 6th select committee i'm interested to see how she responded to a lot of the questions the committee posed to her. another person who's name is on this list is judd deer, the deputy press ...

You? you are planning, or your realization as to whether or not there was going to be an into this administration? >> i think so. i think it was my sentiment, probably prior as well. >> judd deer was the white house deputy press secretary. this was his testimony about what he told president trump. >> i told him my personal viewpoint was the electoral college had met, which is the system that our country is set under to elect a president and vice president, and i believed at that point that the means for him to pursue litigation was probably closed. >> [inaudible] >> he disagreed.

As a guy who is a shallow media guy, this seems to be a significant development and a shift because this is an intentional plan to forge documents to suggest that somebody was elected to overturn a free and fair election. that to me, that suggests a much deeper plot to subvert democracy and violate the law, clearly. >> kirsten, we're learning the select committee selected judd deer saying he has firsthand knowledge of trump's behavior before and during the deadly insurrection. how valuable do you think his testimony could be? >> i think it would be incredibly valuable because it should shed mo...