it is 150, the least likely, and it is not used in civilian areas, they are trying to get through trenches and stop the tanks from rolling, it was not an easy decision, and we are not signatories to that agreement but it took me a while to be convinced to do it. >> i'm joined by the former secretary of defense william cohen, secretary, you heard there would president biden said, that this was not an easy decision, they deliberated over it for some time, but with ukraine waging this tough offensive, going slowly, more slowly than most people expected, is the administration making the right call in your view? >> i think the president has said it just right, a tough decision on his part but the right one, we have a situation where russia has attacked a sovereign independent country and has put them in the