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From looking bad. they wanted as much money as they could get. i mean, two days after she was declaring her candidacy in iowa, hillary clinton wanted to gives a speech to jpmorgan. until they told her, you can't do it. >> you know what i think? i'm going to be more judgmental than beth who's a straight reporter. i'll make a judgment. every time i've watched a politician engage in a certain pattern of behavior before they go to the white house, they continue to engage in that pattern afterwards. people don't change because we swear them into the white house. they become that person big-time. an...

George had become ever more controlling, and judgmental, especially about shauna's spending habits. >> first time at the beach. >> reporter: only got worse when shauna told george the marriage was over. >> he said, you know, "if you don't come back to me and we can't sort this out, you're gonna lose custody of your daughter." and that was -- >> that was his threat. >> -- her number one fear. oh, absolutely. he used their daughter as a way to manipulate shauna, time and time again. >> reporter: shauna had been letting her work mates read the text messages george sent as things got worse in the ...

Push it away from us. >> reporter: according to paula, george had become ever more controlling, and judgmental, especially about shauna's spending habits. >> first time at the beach. >> reporter: only got worse when shauna told george the marriage was over. >> he said, you know, "if you don't come back to me and we can't sort this out, you're gonna lose custody of your daughter." and that was -- >> that was his threat. >> -- her number one fear. oh, absolutely. he used their daughter as a way to manipulate shauna, time and time again. >> reporter: shauna had been letting her work mates read th...

>> reporter: according to paula, george had become ever more controlling, and judgmental, especially about shauna's spending habits. >> first time at the beach. >> reporter: only got worse when shauna told george the marriage was over. >> he said, you know, "if you don't come back to me and we can't sort this out, you're gonna lose custody of your daughter." and that was -- >> that was his threat. >> -- her number one fear. oh, absolutely. he used their daughter as a way to manipulate shauna, time and time again. >> reporter: shauna had been letting her work mates read the text messages george...

I have been there. there are things that i've condemned and railed against as a conservative. it caused me to be more humble, less judgmental and realizing that when people paid a price for whatever their crimes and whatever their indiscretions are, especially if it's somebody you care about, you learn, you grow, you become a better human being and become less judgmental. >> so going forward, what do you think dr. carson is going to be able to do to maintain and grow his base, outside of iowa, outside of those who are as religiously motivated and grow that tent? >> i think if you read some of ...