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Of the things that is sort of behind the movement in arizona and other states to pass laws like this is the example of what happened with a wedding photographer in new mexico who did not want to perform her services at a same-sex wedding and then was sued as a result of that. and she lost her case because new mexico had protections for same-sex individuals. rich lowrie, conservative who runs the national review actually wrote in defense of this law in plit ko this week. this was his defense. the question isn't whether businesses run by people opposed to gay marriage on religious ground, it's w...

Thought, kirsten. >> i don't think he should have been fired. it is reality tv show, right. it is reality, right? they want to see what they're really like. i don't buy idea someone has deeply held beliefs they will be necessarily accepted by society and that they will not upset people. clearly if he said, i don't think blacks and whites should marry each other, i don't know that tony would be defending him. >> that's right. >> we do recognize certain things cross the line. whether this crossed the line. >> he wasn't evan gellizing. >> the language he used was little crude and judgmental. mart...

Because no party holds the white house more than eight years easily. it's always a struggle. and you find yourself with the middle taken away because hillary clinton has moved to the senator where she already sort of is on foreign policy. and you're stuck with a hard right candidate like rand paul or ted cruz. >> i think we're going to have a governor. i think it's going to be someone who has actually made hard decisions and can understand how this all works together. and i think -- >> is that walker you're talking about? >> i'm thinking john kasich. >> really? >> i like john kasich. >> i do t...

Easily. it's always a struggle. and you find yourself with the middle taken away because hillary clinton has moved to the senator where she already sort of is on foreign policy. and you're stuck with a hard right candidate like rand paul or ted cruz. >> i think we're going to have a governor. i think it's going to be someone who has actually made hard decisions and can understand how this all works together. and i think -- >> is that walker you're talking about? >> i'm thinking john kasich. >> really? >> i like john kasich. >> i do too. >> this debate is not unhealthy. there is this shift in t...

Proposed aids cuts. what we need in addition to more funding is more knowledge and more resources so that our young people are better equipped to protect themselves. at the table, sonia rogstogi, an advocacy coorder ne advocacy, joy reid. sonia, your work is to have conversations with young people. what do they need to know about hiv and aids? >> what young people need to know, as you said, is that hiv is not a disease that is about ignorance. it is not about well, oh, my behavior was so irresponsible, so fill in your negative or judgmental comment. our lives are more complex than